Saturday, January 14, 2012

The gazillionth piece on sodomy by Fr. James Martin, S.J. (here)


Jules said...

Actually, it's not. But if that's your take-away, then so be it. I have asked the question in previous posts but to no avail: what do the/will the Fr. Hardon groupies and gay bashers who visit this site say when their own child/grandchild comes to them to say they are gay or, God forbid, commits suicide because they couldn't talk to you?

Anonymous said...

Sodomy--don't heterosexual engage in that as well?

Andrew said...

I think Fr. Martin is right that the Church must listen to the concerns of the faithful; but, of course, the faithful must also listen to the teachings of the Church, for the Church's authority to teach on matters of faith comes from Christ Himself.

Maria said...

"Statements abound in which Father Gerald makes no secret of the malice of sin in a priest, and of the harm he does to the Church by his infidelity. "Who has struck the beautiful spouse of Christ? What has disfigured the spouse of Christ? The sins of priests." (D-130).

Unworthy priests are more than a source of scandal to the faithful. They renew the mockery of the Mystical Christ today, even as the Roman soldiers mocked the physical Christ during His Passion on Holy Thursday night.

Those poor soldiers, all they thought was that Jesus was a poor dreamer, a poor seer and perhaps, a half-wit, a poor victim of the mob who was given to them that they might have some fun according to their ideas of fun. As cruel men sometimes cast a poor little rabbit to the hounds after they have caught it, or a poor little mouse to the cat to be played with, they did not know that this was the King of Kings.

But, when I or another priest of God do anything unworthy, I step up to Him and bow my knee in mockery, and make the world laugh. The world who hates Christ and does not believe. They smile and say, "There is your priest for you." I set the crown back hard and deep into the Sacred Seat of Divine Wisdom. Oh, this is a mystery of suffering that is especially continued through time.
How Christ suffers in being mocked in the person of His priest! It is too late for a priest to make a decision, would to God it was not, it is too late for a priest to turn back and be something else. (J-4, p. 38).

But they cannot be anything else. They are ordained forever. And even if they try to forget, the world never forgets. It knows, as by supernatural instinct, what a priest should be and if he shows himself unfaithful, the whole Church suffers by the counterwitness he gives to everyone who enters his life."

--A Prophet for the Priesthood
A Spiritual Biography of Father Gerald M.C. Fitzgerald

This book should be required reading for all Jesuits in formtation.

Pierre in Montreal said...

Dear Jules,

Homosexuals and lesbians are the God-bashers. The sodomite practices the ultimate in selfish practices. The deranged God-basher chooses sterility instead of procreation within the God centered one-flesh.
The well intentioned suicide continues in the selfish practices by deciding the time of his own Judgement.

Sawyer said...

Not one person who commented on the America site noticed the switcheroo that Fr. Martin irresponsibly pulled in his article. Whereas the Catechism speaks of "persons with homosexual tendencies", Fr. Martin replaced that phrase with the terms "gay and lesbian" in his commentary. The Church does not affirm "gay" nor "lesbian" as authentic identities, for male and female are the only authentic sexual identities. The Church does not teach that the number of "gay and lesbian" people is not negligible; it teaches that the number of "persons with homosexual tendencies" is not negligible The difference in the use of terms is not unimportant. Fr. Martin is slyly attempting to give legitimacy to "gay" and "lesbian" identities as authentic human sexual expressions, which the Church will never and can never do. They are not authentic identities; they are pathologies, which is why homosexuality is correctly labeled a disorder. No amount of respect, compassion nor sensitivity should ever conceal or deny the disorderedness of homosexuality. The sort of false respect, false compassion and false sensitivity that Fr. Martin is subtly endorsing (while loudly claiming not to have overtly contradicted Catholic doctrine -- he is too clever to be guilty of that!) undermines Catholic doctrine and the natural moral law by attempting to legitimize "gay" and "lesbian" as natural or proper human identities. Male and female He created them, and male and female He intends them to bond. Supporters of homosexuality and its normalization are not thinking straight.

Maria said...

"These most crafty enemies
have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness
the Church,
the Spouse of the Immaculate Lamb,
and have laid impious hands
on her most sacred possessions.
In the Holy Place itself,
where has been set up the See of the most holy Peter
and the Chair of Truth for the light of the world,
they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety,
with the iniquitous design
that when the Pastor has been struck,
the sheep may be scattered.

Arise then, O invincible Prince,
bring help against the attacks of the lost spirits
to the people of God,
and give them the victory.
They venerate Thee as their protector and patron;
in Thee, Holy Church glories as her defense
against the malicious power of hell;
to Thee has God entrusted the souls of men
to be established in heavenly beatitude.
Oh, pray to the God of peace
that He may put Satan under our feet,
so far conquered
that he may no longer be able to hold men in captivity
and harm the Church.
Offer our prayers in the sight of the Most High,
so that they may quickly conciliate the mercies of the Lord;
and beating down the dragon,
the ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan,
do Thou again make him captive in the abyss,
that he may no longer seduce the nations.

From the original Prayer to St. Michael
--Pope Leo XIII