Friday, April 13, 2012

Am I correct in stating that you believe that Jesuits may pick and choose those doctrines to which they are obedient?  Give me a good, old-fashioned Jesuit, a real Jesuit, of the kind that did not quail to speak the Truth, the kind that taught real Roman Catholicism, not the hippy-dippy, liberal, wishy-washy, Cafeteria Catholics which your last comment reveals that you so obviously are. Are you not deeply ashamed of yourself?  Why don’t you hang up your Roman collar?  I’ve been reading about your order on, yes, all about the group that in days past was known as the Societas Jesu.  (That means Society of Jesus, just in case, like most Jesuits, you "have no Latin.") I also read somewhere that your vocations are plummeting.  I cannot say that I’m in the least bit surprised.  It is thanks to “priests” like you who have blithely forgotten what it means to be fully obedient to the Magisterium.  When I think of the glorious history of the Jesuit saints and martyrs (you might want to read some day about the North American Martyrs, when you're not busy opposing the church), and how we ended up with Jesuits like you today,

Link (here) to Fr. James Martin's original and full post at America Magazine blog In All Things


Maria said...

Here is a little sampler from the bulletin at St Francis Xavier Church NYC:

Meets every Monday at 7 pm.
Newcomers are welcome. Introductory instruction available.
Contact Peggy & Paul Schubert at 212-260-2486 or

Men meet monthly on the first and third Fridays in a welcoming, affirming environment to address gay Catholic life and how best to live authentically our commitment to the Gospel.
Regular meetings are held in the Mary Chapel at 7PM. Please enter at 55 W. 15th Street.
Contact for more information.

Practicing Catholics and non-practicing, the religious and not-so-religious—all are welcome. Our mission is to provide a safe place for gay women to come together and discuss issues related to spirituality, identity and community. Led and organized by parishioners, we have been meeting at the Church of St. Francis Xavier for more than twelve years on the second Friday of every month at 55 W. 15th St., West Room, second floor.
Contact (917) 297-6804.

Silly me. Here I was thinking we were all , you know , Roman Catholics. So yesterday, huh?

No need to worry your pretty little head about sin anymore, Zazen takes care of everything now! Who knew? I guess that is why we only need Confession one hour a week now. Whew! That’s good to know.

From the St Francis Xavier Church Bulletin

Speaker Series 2012
Living the Way
Anthony de Mello, SJ.
May 2nd
7:00 pm
Mary Chapel
On May 2nd at 7:00 PM
James Dolan, SJ will spend the evening sharing about Anthony de Mello, SJ. De DeMello denied the divinity of Christ, but why quibble over details, right?

May 4th~LGBT Anniversary Mass
7:00 pm - Main Church

When Art and the Sacred Collide
Wednesday, April 25th
6:00 pm- 8:00 pm
Camile Paglia
University of the Arts, Philadelphia

Paglia has celebrated Madonna and taken radical libertarian positions on controversial social issues such as abortion, homosexuality and drug use. But, were down with that now, right?

Last, but not least, we have:

Pink Smoke Over the Vatican @ ST FRANCIS XAVIER NYC A Documentary by Julie Hart about women seeking ordination

Tuesday, April 10
7:00 PM —9:00 PM
Mary Chapel

Seating is limited, so you must RSVP to

or (917) 297-6804. The speaker series is free and open to the public,though freewill donations are accepted.

Some things stay the same: REQUEST FOR A SMALL DONATION.

And Father James Martin SJ wonders why people are, you know, “upset” in the blogosphere. Can't imagine why, Padre. Haven't a clue.

Maria said...

"...On that day when my confessor and I were in conversation, Father Mole showed me the letter which he had just received from [Marshall] McLuhan, and in the postscript of that letter [Marshall]McLuhan wrote this statement, "The modern media are engaged in a Luciferian conspiracy against the truth." Certain statements you never forget. And that was prophetic. Since I've been with the Holy See, from Pope Paul VI to the present pope, John Paul II, the popes have wanted Catholics to change that. Imagine the alternative: "The modern media are engaged in a Christlike, shall I use the word, conspiracy, for the truth."

--Servant of God John Hardon SJ

Anonymous said...

Fr. Martin is in denial about how degenerate the Society of Jesus is. He laughs off critical comments about the Jesuits, as if only kooks would write such things. His column smacks of condescension and arrogance too.

mcasey said...

Are the other comments here meant to be ironic (i.e. part of the joke)? It's hard to believe any rational person would take the bait like that.
Bravo to Fr. Jim Martin. A happy, humorous voice in what is quickly becoming the gloomiest church on Earth. Gospel means "good news", not angry, judgmental news. Right? All this creepy obsession with sex and sin is making the RC Church sound like a bunch of icy Calvinists. Keep the good cheer (news)coming, Fr. Jim.

Anonymous said...

Fr. Hardon? He supported harboring a sexual predator.

No more from him please.

Stewart said...

This is a classic quote by Fr. James Martin,S.J.

...when Benedict XVI walked out on the papal balcony “I wanted to jump off my own balcony,”

what a charming and kindhearted Jesus loving Jesuit you are Fr. Martin.

Maria said...

First then, the standard of Satan:

Let me first quote from St. Ignatius, “The chief of all the enemy summons innumerable demons and scatters them. Some to one city and some to another throughout the whole world, so that no province, no place, no state of life, no individual is overlooked. He goes around to lay snares for men to seek to chain them. First they are to tempt them to covet riches, as Satan himself is accustomed to do in most cases, that they more easily obtain the empty honors of this world and then come to overweening pride. The first step then, will be riches, the second; honor, the third; pride, from these three steps the one leads to all other vices”, unquote St. Ignatius. Now some explanation, the devil’s strategy is to get people to become attached to earthly things. He urges them to, well, acquire say material wealth, which is the cheapest kind of riches, or acquire education. Ah, dear Lord, how clever the devil is. Or acquire mastery in the use of their emotions, or cultivate gifts in the social order, or, would you believe it, the devil will even tempt people to acquire spiritual riches. Forty-seven years in the priesthood, as I keep telling people, have taught me an awful lot. Twenty-five years of teaching the most highly intellectual people that the Church can gather, members of the Society of Jesus, oh how hungry men can be for knowledge. But whatever the possession, whether as cheap a thing as money, or special things say as, secular knowledge or even spiritual wisdom, the beginning is to become wealthy and thus to attain to recognition, praise, honor. How well I know, I’ve lived with too many people, too many highly gifted individuals, who have fallen like cheap tinder because they’ve allowed themselves to be beguiled by the evil spirit. Attachment to the things of this world gradually makes a person, not only satisfied with what he or she possesses, but hungry for acceptance, recognition, praise, and honor. And once, as Ignatius says, once a person becomes a victim of empty honors, then pride follows as a matter of course."

--John Hardon Servant of God

Anonymous said...

"The documents reveal that McGuire admitted to Hardon that he was taking showers with the teenage boy. . . Hardon concluded that his fellow Jesuit's actions were 'objectively defensible". . . and that he "should be prudently allowed to engage in priestly ministry."

Every time Maria post some Hardon quote this quote will follow.

Anonymous said...


dagger john said...

standing room only when james martin preaches
xavier is always a packed house

the jesuits are doing something right

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...


Good luck with getting an answer to that. I have been trying for years.

"Anonymous said...

"The documents reveal that McGuire admitted to Hardon that he was taking showers with the teenage boy. . . Hardon concluded that his fellow Jesuit's actions were 'objectively defensible". . . and that he "should be prudently allowed to engage in priestly ministry."

Every time Maria post some Hardon quote this quote will follow."
Every time you do, Maria will come back with her standard reply: 'Why the hate?'

These people cannot see the forest for the trees.

Maria said...

Fr. Hardon had the goods on all the sodomite goings on in t he Society. They, and their homosexual minions, have a vested interest in smearing Fr. Hardon. I notice, that no mention is made of all the "sodomite" friendly superiors who had knowledge of McGuire for years and did nothing to curtail his sodomite perversions.

A memo dated 10/27/1993 [Exhibit # 32] from BRAD DALY SJ to FRAN SCHAEFFER SJ, contained in the motion filed against Donald McGuire, states the following:


Seems pretty clear to me but I'm not a lawyer.

Maria said...


Let us reamin on the subject matter, shall we?

On March 3, Tom Beaudoin, assistant professor of religious studies at Santa Clara University, joined America magazine’s associate editor, Jesuit Father James Martin, in a panel discussion, titled, “Ministry
with Lesbian and Gay Catholics: Insights for the Whole Church.”

Beaudoin said he dedicated his part of the session “to those who have slowly been pulling me out of a smallness of mind and heart about
sexual identity ... I, for one, want my 20-month old daughter Mimi to grow up to affirm, with the U.S. bishops, that, quote, 'it is
deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of
violent malice in speech and in action.'"

Father Martin extolled the “gifts” homosexuals bring to the Catholic
Church. He drew audience laughter and applause by saying he hoped
Beaudoin’s daughter would grow up to become a U.S. bishop.

One homosexual gift, said Martin, is “resilience.” “Emotionally
healthy gays and lesbians,” he said, “have successfully emerged from a childhood where they have felt marginalized; a young adulthood where they have felt confused; and an adulthood where they have had to forge a sense of self-acceptance and self-motivation.” This makes them “able
to stand without self-pity before the world, confident in the dignity
of their God-given humanity, a fundamental attribute of a mature
Christian.” “The mature gay person,” said Martin, “brings a unique strength, a special kind of personal resilience, to the role of

Maria said...


Another homosexual gift is “an innate sense of independence,” which “comes from not running with the herd and from not being surprised that not everyone marches in step with one another,” said Martin.

“They understand the perils of groupthink ... A gay person can often stand outside the traditional Catholic circles and bring some fresh perspectives. Jesus of Nazareth brought something of that independence
to the religious world of His day.”

Father Martin added, “ironically, despite the hateful talk about gays
being unfit to work with children, which we hear a lot in the wake of
the sexual abuse crisis, this very independence can be a great gift in
a parish or a school setting. A gay teacher, or principal, or
administrator, can foster a place for young people to know that they
do not have to [do what all] do or be the same. It’s fine, it’s even
wonderful, to be different."

“Gay and lesbian Catholics” have the gift of “suffering” because they “know firsthand the emotional pain that comes from being a
misunderstood minority,” said Martin. Homosexuals “will often
experience rejection in the Church ... What does it mean to be called ‘disordered’? What does it mean to be told that, if you are a gay man, you cannot be a priest, even if you are celibate? What does it mean to be told that, if you adopt a child, you are doing violence to that child?”

Other gifts homosexuals bring to the Church, said Father Martin, are
“creativity” and the ability to identify with the poor and the

“Gays and lesbians are not a problem for the Church,” he

Will any conciliar ecclesiastical penalty be leveled upon Father James Martin, S.J., for convincing and/or reaffirming people that an
inclination to commit one of the sins that cries out to Heaven for
vengeance is the basis of human self-identification? Will any
conciliar ecclesiastical penalty be leveled upon Roger Mahony for
countenancing such talk or upon the other conciliar bishops who gave the "congress" their own seal of approval by their attendance? Does anyone yet stuck in the conciliar structures believe that the talk given by Father James Martin represents Catholicism? Does anyone yet stuck in the conciliar structures believe that the talk given by Father James Martin gave honor and glory to the Blessed Trinity and was thus helpful in the sanctification and salvation of human souls?

This is ,sadly, vin ordinaire for Martin and his pals at America Mag.

Father Martin, or "Fr. Jim" as you all refer to him--(when did we start referring to priests by their first names, by the way) believes that he can spit in the face of Christ, win friends for sodomy, garner praise for his efforts and expect that faithful who love Christ and His church to be silent.

The Jesuits won't tell you that sodomy is a mortal sin. They won't tell you that you risk the loss of your soul and Heaven. They can't. Those Jesuits who once possessed the faith have lost it. The peculiar hallmark of people who have lost their faith is that they do not know they have lost their faith.

Maria said...

(2) Fr.KLEIN
(3) Fr.WILD

received specific reports regarding McGuire's abhorrent conduct


(1) Fr. DALY
(2) Fr. MCGURN


Anonymous said...

No one's declaring them their personal gurhu and pushing for sainthood.

Maria said...

No,inded they aren't.

Maria said...

No,inded they aren't.

Andrew said...

"MARIA WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO YOUR GAY SON OR DAUGHTER?" I'm not Maria, but thought I would weigh in...

I would tell him or her that I love him and always will. But of course I would also continue to pray for him/her, and try to explain the Church's teaching on this matter.

Let's not forget Luke 12: 49-53 -

"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against one another, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

Unfortunately, we may come to the day when we must choose between our faith and a colleague, a friend, or even a family member. This doesn't mean we no longer love them and it certainly doesn't mean we hate them; but rather that our love for Christ guides all our decisions, beliefs, and actions -- and no person or thing can change that.

Maria said...

Thank you, Andrew. I have answered this question many times before. They are not, however, interested in the answer. So, we keep praying.

"I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus...preach the word, be urgent in season and out of season, convince, rebuke, and exhort, be unfailing in patience and in teaching. For the future will come when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to satisfy their own likings and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths. As for you, always be steady, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry"(II Timothy 4:1-5)."

They have accumulated teachers. Who ever thought their teachers would be the sons of Ingatius?? The future, I am afraid, has arrived.

Anonymous said...

So much hate against our gay & lesbian brethren. This website is a meeting place of hate, not love.

Oh, and one other thing:

"The documents reveal that McGuire admitted to Hardon that he was taking showers with the teenage boy. . . Hardon concluded that his fellow Jesuit's actions were 'objectively defensible". . . and that he "should be prudently allowed to engage in priestly ministry."

Jesus wept.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous just above: the truth is never hateful, and the truth is that homosexuality is an objective disorder. Furthermore, homosexual acts may never be condoned. Misplaced compassion for others by condoning sinful acts is not love. True compassion, which always includes advocating the truth, is love.

Anonymous said...

homosexuality is an objective disorder.

No, it isn't.

Maria said...

“To all our persecutors we say: ‘you are our brethren; apprehend not us but rather the truth of God.’

--St. Justin Martyr Died 150 AD

Anonymous said...

"Jim" Martin wants to be loved by all. In his latest he actually ridicules people who questio nanything Jesuit. He give smarmy answers to all the made up comments. But he is oh so proud of his Humility

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 2:22,

You cannot come on a Catholic blog site, make a statement in direct and grave contradiction of natural law and Catholic teaching, provide no support or explanation, and expect to be taken seriously.

Your stance is directly in opposition to Catholic teaching and natural law morality.

Fr. Martin has been coy on the same topic, so you and he are probably of like mind, which is why Fr. Martin's thinking is also suspect.

Anonymous said...

"You cannot come on a Catholic blog site, make a statement in direct and grave contradiction of natural law and Catholic teaching, provide no support or explanation, and expect to be taken seriously."

I didn't realize this was a serious (Catholic) website. There are plenty of scholars, websites, etc. in defense of my position. This isn't the first time you've read it.

Twains Mark said...

The homosexual and lesbian in his or her pursuit of self gratification chooses to be sterile. This wonton pursuit of carnality outside matrimony is a rejection of God's logical and natural laws. These sterile acts are truely hateful acts.

Anonymous said...

"God's logical and natural laws. These sterile acts are truely hateful acts."

Whoa. . . what a crafty comment, i.e., deny gays and lesbians their humanity and then blame them as "hateful." Kind of a nazi-Orwellian combo.

Twains Mark said...

The homosexual full of lust,pride and vigor truly does look and act like the Klu Klux Klan.

Anonymous said...

The anonymous poster who supports normalizing the depravity of homosexuality is an apt example of how sin corrupts the mind. Not only do unchaste homosexuals not act "straight" in ordering their sexuality, they and their supporters do not think straight either. Their minds have been warped by lust and pride, and they cannot see the truth; they believe darkness to be light.

Jesus wept.

By the way, anonymous poster, all those "scholars" you refer to who attempt to deny that homosexuality is an objective disorder are schmucks. Simple biology makes it plain that male and female are ordered to each other; male and female are not ordered to their own kind. If someone is attracted to his own sex, that by definition is a disordered attraction, regardless of the origin of the attraction.

Jesus can heal your blindness, but you must want to be healed.

Anonymous said...

People who come to sites like this and other orthodox Catholic sites to bash the Church's faith and doctrine and to mock those who support the Faith are enemies of the Church and enemies of Christ.

Such people are the real haters: haters of the truth, haters of the good, haters of the Church, haters of Christ. Yet they cloak themselves falsely in the mantle of love and compassion and faith.

Jesus weeps for you, anonymous who knows who he is.

Anonymous said...

Oh, how wonderful: God himself is blogging this evening.

The whole message of this blog is boiled down to one command: Stop touching yourself.